From 1429 to 1857 the danish crown collected dues from all ships passing in and out of the baltic sea through the Sound (Øresund). It was throughout these years of huge importance to danish income, and at its height the income from this toll accounted for 2/3rds of the total danish income. The Sound Dues was also the origin of several conflicts throughout this period.
My question is thus, considering its historic importance, will something like this be possible to recreate in-game? Both for the Sound, and perhaps even other similar straits?
Grand Duke of Agdesiden
I don't know about the Sound Dues, toll connected to passing certain points, we haven't foreseen in that yet (although it is an interesting idea).
However, there is toll income for a nation, which is connected to land travel and the policy settings a Home Secretary can influence. But more importantly, there is the port income of harbour tolls, ships have to pay for every day they have berth at a port. And that will be an important source of income for a port (ending up in the port Governor's treasury).
There will be ports that will probably be necessary stops for long travels along certain trade routes. So that will almost be like a Sound Due.
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The Sound Dues was also the origin of several conflicts throughout this period.
So, if you want to cash in a toll there, why don't you position a ship which will try to intercept passing ships for demanding the toll. We'll see if you can convince us to pay or not. 🙂
voila, "the origin of several conflicts throughout this period"...
The reason the Sound Toll was so efficient was because to travel in or out of the Baltic Sea you have to pass the Sound, which at its narrowest is 4km across, with Helsingborg castle at one side and Helsingør castle at the other. Anyone trying to pass without paying their dues would simply be bombarded and sunk.
Grand Duke of Agdesiden
Not to mention that Sweden still had to pay the Sound Toll even after conquering all of Skåne (the eastern coast of the Sound). That speaks for its efficiency.
Grand Duke of Agdesiden
And yet the presence of mighty fortresses did not prevent the, in your own words, "several conflicts throughout this period".
So, if you want to cash in a toll there, why don't you position a ship which will try to intercept passing ships for demanding the toll. We'll see if you can convince us to pay or not.
That would work in real life, possibly, but not in the game!
The reason for this is that you cannot attack a ship of a nationality that your nation is not at a status of war with. I suppose you could harass ships by getting in their way. But ultimately you will have no means to stop them if they are neutral or allies.
With enemies, of course, you could do this. You can hold up lesser ships and force them to pay before letting them go. But then you might as well capture them outright for the prize money.
But if you think about it there is some logic to it. As was pointed out it was often a cause for war. Harassing foreign ships is a hostile act towards their flag and nation. Only in the game this has to be preceded by declaring war.
Another thing is that a government can set import tax in a relation with another nation. If you really dislike a nation you can set the import tax for them really high. The danger of this unkind act is of course that they will no longer trade with you. I imagine too severe tolls would have the same effect.
With us being in the middle of nearly failing Brexit negotiations, one can wonder what the intelligence is behind countries imposing great trade and travel restrictions on one another. Clearly governments are very willing to do this, but as we see in the UK right now, businesses are very unenthusiastic about this. In the game this might be true as well, and plenty of noble families in the House of Lords might have thriving family businesses with international trade. So before governments get too wild of ideas about trade restricting power play they might want to consider how this can hurt them politically.
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And yet the presence of mighty fortresses did not prevent the, in your own words, "several conflicts throughout this period".
When did I ever say the Helsingør and Helsingborg castles were built to prevent conflicts? I also suspect that you're intentionally or unintentionally, misunderstanding me.
When I say "The Sound Dues was also the origin of several conflicts throughout this period." I'm not saying that's a bad thing. And a conflict doesn't need to result in direct combat or war either. I was quite short in my first post as I considered it a small question, but I'll elaborate now.
Conflict is often a key component in driving events, politics and diplomacy. So when I said the Sound Dues were the source of many conflicts in this period, I meant that it played a key role in the dynamics of politics and powerplay in the Baltic and Nordic regions. Both during peace time and war time. And both France, Britain, the German states and the Netherland had varying interests in the Dues. Sometimes some countries loved the Dues, and other times they loathed it. But it was not untill the 1850s a majority of the great powers agreed that the Dues was unwanted. Many times the Sound Dues were part of peace negotiations, sometimes some countries got reduced tolls, other times others. Giving them a trade advantage in the region. With the sole exception of Sweden for a short period of time, did anyone ever get excempt from the Dues untill the 1850s.
So having the Sound Dues part of the game, ignoring the historic arguments, would not only give Denmark the income it historically had to make it a great power, but give a bit of flavour to the Baltic and Northern european regions.
I do however fully understand that it might be difficult to implement in such a game. A possible solution would perhaps a sort of function to "force" ships into specific harbours to pay toll there, not only when the ships captain need to resupply, but due to other factors.
Grand Duke of Agdesiden
When did I ever say the Helsingør and Helsingborg castles were built to prevent conflicts?
Hm, what else they were built for if not for enforcing the Dane rule over that channel? Thus nobody would resist but pay? Thus preventing conflicts which come from *refusing* toll?
Anyway I am getting confused by being addressed here, as this is not my problem to enforce tolls on foreign traffic there, it's yours. I am merely questioning if I should pay at all and how you could 'force' us if we don't. That leads us to game mechanisms as usually and Peter is already on the job explaining things from dev's side, what works and what doesn't.
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We may use technical service providers to help us communicate with you, as described in Section 7 of this Policy.
We use marketing (and advertising partners) to show you more tailored content, or to help us understand your use of the Rulers of the Sea Services, to provide you with a better experience. We also may share Personal Data with certain marketing and advertising partners to send you promotional communications about Rulers of the Sea.
|Rulers of the Sea Partners||We might share your Personal Data in a pseudonymised format with marketing partners who help us with promotional efforts and with advertisers that allow us to offer a free service.|
|Academic Researchers||We may share your Personal Data for activities such as statistical analysis and academic study but only in a pseudonymised format.|
|Other Rulers of the Sea Group Companies||We might share your Personal Data with other Deadeye Games B.V. Group Companies to carry out our daily business operations and to enable us to maintain and provide the Rulers of the Sea Services to you.|
|Law Enforcement and Data Protection Authorities||We will share your Personal Data when we in good faith believe it is necessary for us to do so in order to comply with a legal obligation under applicable law, or respond to valid legal process, such as a search warrant, a court order, or a subpoena.|
We also will share your personal data where we in good faith believe that it is necessary for the purpose of our own, or a third party’s legitimate interest relating to national security, law enforcement, litigation, criminal investigation, protecting the safety of any person, or to prevent death or imminent bodily harm, provided that we deem that such interest is not overridden by your interests or fundamental rights and freedoms requiring the protection of your Personal Data.
We keep your Personal Data only as long as necessary to provide you with the Rulers of the Sea Service and for legitimate and essential business purposes, such as maintaining the performance of the Deadeye Games Services, making data-driven business decisions about new features and offerings, complying with our legal obligations, and resolving disputes. We keep some of your Personal Data for as long as you are a user of the game.
If you request, we will delete or anonymise your Personal Data so that it no longer identifies you, unless, we are legally allowed or required to maintain certain Personal Data, including situations such as the following:
Deadeye Games B.V. might share your Personal Data globally with other companies in the Deadeye Games B.V. Group in order to carry out the activities specified in this Policy. Deadeye Games B.V. may also subcontract processing to, or share your Personal Data with, third parties located in countries other than your home country. Your personal data, therefore, may be subject to privacy laws that are different from those in your country of residence.
Personal Data collected within the European Union and Switzerland may, for example, be transferred to and processed by third parties located in a country outside of the European Union and Switzerland. In such instances Deadeye Games B.V. will ensure that the transfer of your Personal Data is carried out in accordance with applicable privacy laws and, in particular, that appropriate contractual, technical, and organizational measures are in place such as the Standard Contractual Clauses approved by the EU Commission.
For further details of the security measures we use to protect your Personal Data, please see the ‘Keeping your personal data safe’ Section 12 of this Policy.
We may display advertisements from third parties and other content that links to third-party websites. We cannot control or be held responsible for third parties’ privacy practices and content. If you click on a third-party advertisement or link, please understand that you are leaving the Rulers of the Sea Service and any Personal Data you provide will not be covered by this Policy. Please read their privacy policies to find out how they collect process and protect your Personal Data.
We are committed to protecting our users’ Personal Data. We implement appropriate technical and organisational measures to help protect the security of your Personal Data; however, please note that no system is ever completely secure. We have implemented various policies including pseudonymisation, encryption, access, and retention policies to guard against unauthorized access and unnecessary retention of Personal Data in our systems.
Your password protects your user account, so we encourage you to use a unique and strong password, limit access to your computer and browser, and log out after having used the Rulers of the Sea Services.
The Rulers of the Sea Services are not directed to children under the age of 13 years. However, in some countries, stricter age limits may apply under local law. Please see our Terms of Services for further details.
We do not knowingly collect Personal Data from children under 13 years or under the applicable age limit (the “Age Limit”). If you are under the Age Limit, please do not use the Rulers of the Sea Services, and do not provide any Personal Data to us.
If you are a parent of a child under the Age Limit and become aware that your child has provided Personal Data to Rulers of the Sea, please contact us using the form on the Privacy Center, and you may request exercise of your applicable rights detailed in the ‘Your rights and your preferences: Giving you choice and control’ Section 4 of this Policy.
If we learn that we have collected the Personal Data of a child under the age of 13 years, we will take reasonable steps to delete the Personal Data. This may require us to delete the Rulers of the Sea account for that child.
We will occasionally update this Policy. When we make material updates to this Policy, we will provide you with prominent notice as appropriate under the circumstances, e.g., by displaying a prominent notice within the Rulers of the Sea Services or by sending you an email.
Please, therefore, make sure you read any such notice carefully. Annually this Policy will be reviewed for accuracy and changes in GDPR. If no material changes are made, you will not be notified.
If you want to find out more about this Policy and how Deadeye Games B.V. uses your Personal Data, please visit the Privacy Center on RulersoftheSea.com to find out more.
Deadeye Games BV is the data processor for the purposes of the personal data processed under this Policy.