Delivering the project will depend on how fast we can fund it, so this is a hard question to answer.
But imagine we achieve adequate funding to start developing 'full throttle', then it will realistically take a minimum of 2,5 years to reach an alpha release (a version that still needs extensive testing). Additionally it will likely take 6 more months to reach a polished version.
The reason why it can't be built any faster, no matter how many people we employ, is that there are a number of inter-dependencies in the design. There are elements of the game you can only deliver after other elements have already been built.
The reason why it shouldn't last any longer. is that we already have a pretty detailed design at the start of the project. We know in considerable detail what we want to build, and we are not going to increase the scale or scope of the design until it has first all been delivered. There is essentially a freeze on scope increases. MMORPG's continue to be developed during their lifetime, so any new elements we come up with, we add to a list for delivery after Rulers of the Sea is live. We are very strict on this is because we have witnessed too many projects with 'scope-creeping', the tendency to keep adding complexities during a project, which delays delivery and inflates the budget.
If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask our technical director, Herwin, or our creative director, Peter. We are always happy to share information.
If you hadn't guessed yet, I'm the game designer. Ask me anything, that's what I'm here for!
Goals are good, but three years IMO is the wildly optimistic view.
A more realistic range is somewhere between five to ten years based on the history of crowd funded MMORPGs to date.
Star Citizen 8 years and going strong. Camelot Unchained, 7 years in, no end in sight. Crowfall, one of the better ones, still going to be at least five plus years, SotA...well, let's not even go there. SoL, great bunch of guys, over 5 years in and miles to go before they sleep.
There's literally been no exception to this pattern to date, and all of the above projects told early backers they could deliver in a short two or three year window, but each failed for "reasons."
Sure this one might turn out different, but that isn't the way to bet.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for what you folks are trying to do here, but I am also an extreme stickler for being honest and realistic when projecting dates, even if the reality of such is unpleasant.
Welcome on board, Sir! Good to have you!
I completely understand where you are coming from, and certainly all your examples stand up.
The only thing is....we don't base our build time on other (very different) projects, but on actual technical data.
I can tell a story about every project you mention, and why I think their development time is that long (and often too long in my opinion). We analysed every major MMORPG project out there for our business case.
But I won't do that. Let's talk about Rulers of the Sea.
Many independent projects are built within a 3 year period. Not the ones you have picked. But there are literally hundreds of independent developments out there, also with MMO mechanics. And the question is: on what basis do you compare Rulers of the Sea with games like Star Citizen, Camelot Unchained or Crowfall?
Rulers of the Sea is a totally different design, and in many ways technically much simpler. You are comparing us with large sandbox MMO's with live fast-paced action in perpetual worlds that need to maintain all types of continuation. The graphics and physics requirements of such games are mind boggling. Rulers of the Sea is very very different in that respect, and that instantly removes one of the hardest aspects of the MMO development.
Rulers of the Sea is mainly a simulation game. The live action in the game is through command and statistical resolution. We do display many things in a 3D environment, but there is nothing there that cannot be built with off-the-shelf technology. We are pushing no boundaries at all.
The complexity in the game is the amount of data management and workflow, and the vast amount of balancing (and tons of art). There is a lot of work, but our design, that has been in development since 2016, already has a great amount of detail for all those models.
So we go into this project with a finished and 'frozen' design to prevent scope creeping, and we already have very clear ideas on every technological challenge. There are no technological concepts at all in the design that, in one form or another, have not already been done before. It's how we combine them that makes the game different.
This all might mean you have to revisit your idea of what Rulers of the Sea actually is. There are more discussions on that in the FAQ's, it's worth reading that.
Can a game of the size and complexity of Rulers of the Sea, which doesn't come within a mile of the complexity of Star Citizen, be delivered in 3 years? We did a lot of analysing and calculations, which is sort of 'our thing', and I have no doubt that this is very achievable. And I hate projects that run over time and budget, that has never happened to me before and I'm not planning to start now. So these statements are not made off the cuff.
That is an optimum timeline. What we are saying is that we can't do it faster, regardless of how much money you throw at it. There are inter-dependencies in the design that make it nearly impossible to go faster.
Yet it can indeed last longer. That is mainly contingent on one factor, money. If we get full financing from the start, so we can spend the budget at the planned speed, so we can go into full development, we can achieve this. But that is not always how it goes. If money trickles in and we need to choose priorities in hiring and outsourcing, obviously the time frame will change.
So we will have to see about the 3 years, and right now that clock isn't ticking yet (we're still pre-funding). But with full financing it is possible. And that's no bet.
So....end of 2023....that's very possible. We're now in talks about funding and hope to achieve clarity end of the year.
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March 1, 2020
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From time to time, we may develop new or offer additional Services. If the introduction of these new or additional Services results in any change to the way we collect or process your Personal Data we will provide you with more information and additional terms or policies. Unless stated otherwise when we introduce these new or additional services, they will be subject to this Policy.
The aim of this Policy is to:
We hope this helps you to understand our privacy commitments to you. For information on how to contact us if you ever have any questions or concerns, please see the ‘How to Contact Us’ Section 15 below. Alternatively, if you do not agree with the content of this Policy, then please remember it is your choice whether you want to use the Rulers of the Sea Services.
“Personal Data” is Data that we have collected from you that identifies you, or which, in conjunction with other data that is in our possession, or is likely to come into our possession, may be used to identify you.
“Non-Personal Data”, is information that we have collected from you which cannot be used to identify you.
You may be aware that European Union law, called the General Data Protection Regulation or “GDPR” gives certain rights to individuals in relation to their Personal Data. Accordingly, we have implemented additional transparency and access controls in our Privacy Center to help users take advantage of those rights. As available and except as limited under applicable law, the rights afforded to individuals are:
In order to enable you to exercise these rights with ease and to record your preferences in relation to how Deadeye Games BV uses your Personal Data, we provide you with access to the following settings via your Account Settings page:
The Privacy Center puts you in control of how Rulers of the Sea processes your Personal Data. It provides you with information about what happens if you adjust your settings on your Account Settings page and how to opt out of receiving certain messages from Deadeye Games BV and/or Rulers of the Sea. If we send you electronic marketing messages based on your consent or as otherwise permitted by applicable law, you may, at any time, respectively withdraw such consent or declare your objection (“opt-out”) at no cost. The electronic marketing messages you receive from Deadeye Games BV and/or Rulers of the Sea (e.g. those sent via email) also will include an opt-out mechanism within the message itself (e.g. an unsubscribe link in the emails we send to you).
If you have any questions about your privacy, your rights, or how to exercise them, please contact our Data Protection Officer using the ‘Contact Us’ form on the Privacy Center. We will respond to your request within a reasonable period of time upon verification of your identity. If you are unhappy with the way we are using your Personal Data you can also contact and are free to lodge a complaint with the Dutch Data Protection Authority (Autoriteit Persoongegevens) or your local Data Protection Authority.
We process your Personal Data in the following ways:
Through your use of the Rulers of the Sea Services – when you use the Rulers of the Sea Services, we collect Personal Data about your use of the Rulers of the Sea Services such as your email address, date of birth, gender and country;
Personal Data collected that enables us to provide you with additional features/functionalities – from time to time, you also may provide us with additional Personal Data or give us your permission to collect additional Personal Data e.g. to provide you with more features or functionalities. As described further below (see Voluntary Data), we will not collect photos, precise mobile device location, voice data, or contacts from your device without your prior consent. You always will have the option to change your mind and withdraw your consent at any time.
In general, we use log files to monitor traffic on our Website and to troubleshoot technical problems. In the event of user abuse of our Website, we may block certain IP addresses.
We (will) use anonymised and aggregated information to optimize your experience of the Rulers of the Sea Services but also for purposes that include testing our IT systems, research, data analysis, creating marketing and promotion models, improving the Rulers of the Sea Services, and developing new features and functionality within the Rulers of the Sea Services.
In addition to Sections 5.1 and 5.2, if we reasonably suspect that any of the Rulers of the Sea Services or your Account is being or has been misused, including without limitation, by virtue of any:
Deadeye Games B.V. may collect further Personal Data and Non-Personal Data to verify or refute such suspicions within the limits of applicable law and taking into account your reasonable data protection interests. We will use this Data to comply with applicable law and enforce our rights under civil and penal law against the respective users.
Optionally you may choose to send crash reports or contact Customer Support for any technical and commercial issues.
In addition to the data collected in Sections 5.1 to 5.3 above, the data provided by you may include:
The collection of the data set out in this Section 5.4 is not mandatory. However, we might not be able to fix bugs or handle the technical and commercial issues you have without this data. For legal reasons this information will be stored as long as your account remains open and for the applicable statues of limitations thereafter.
We have set out in the tables below the categories of Personal Data we collect and process about you:
|Categories of Personal Data||Description of category|
|Account Registration Data and Commercial transaction||This is the Personal Data that is provided by you or collected by us to enable you to sign up for and use the Rulers of the Sea Services. This includes your email address, date of birth, gender and country.|
Some of the Personal Data we will ask you to provide is required in order to create your account such as account ID, login ID, display name, password, community moniker, user handle, and referral code. You also have the option to provide us with some additional Personal Data in order to make your account more personalized such as birth date.
The exact Personal Data we will collect depends on the type of Rulers of the Sea Services you sign up for (paid or non-paid).
Personal data collected through your use of the Rulers of the Sea Services
|Categories of Personal Data||Description of category|
|Rulers of the Sea Service Usage Data||This is the Personal Data that is collected about you when you are using the Rulers of the Sea Services – this may include:|
|Categories of Personal Data||Description of category|
|Voluntary Mobile Data||In addition to the mobile data we collect to provide you with the Rulers of the Sea Services (outlined above), you also have the option to give us your consent to collect additional Personal Data from your (mobile) device to provide you with features/functionalities that will enhance your Rulers of the Sea Services experiences.|
We will not access any of the Personal Data listed below without first obtaining your consent:
|Payment Data||We may collect such Personal Data if you sign up for a Trial or purchase any of our Paid Subscriptions (as defined in the Terms of Services) or make other purchases through the Rulers of the Sea Services. The exact personal data collected will vary depending on the payment method (e.g. direct via your mobile phone carrier or by invoice) but will include information such as:|
|Marketing Data||This Personal Data is used to enable Deadeye Games B.V. (and our partners / service providers) to send you marketing communications either:|
You can find out more about the Personal Data collected and the controls you have in relation to the marketing communications you receive via the Privacy Center.
When you use or interact with the Rulers of the Sea Services, we use a variety of technologies to process the personal data we collect about you for various reasons. We have set out in the table below the reasons why we process your personal data, the associated legal bases we rely upon to legally permit us to process your personal data, and the categories of personal data (identified in Section 6 ‘What personal data do we collect from you?’) used for these purposes:
|Description of why Rulers of the Sea processes your Personal Data (‘processing purpose’)||Legal Basis for the processing purpose||Categories of Personal Data used by Rulers of the Sea for the processing purpose|
|To provide, personalize, and improve your experience with the Rulers of the Sea Service and other services and products provided by Deadeye Games B.V., for example by providing customized, personalized, or localized content, features, and advertising on or outside of the Rulers of the Sea Services (including for third party products and services).|
|To understand how you access and use the Rulers of the Sea Services to ensure technical functionality of the Rulers of the Sea Services, develop new products and services, and analyse your use of the Rulers of the Sea Services, including your interaction with applications, advertising, products, and services that are made available, linked to, or offered through the Rulers of the Sea Services.|
|To communicate with you for Rulers of the Sea Services-related purposes.|
|To process your payment to prevent or detect fraud including fraudulent payments and fraudulent use of the Rulers of the Sea Service.|
|To communicate with you, either directly or through one of our partners, for:|
via emails, notifications, or other messages, consistent with any permissions you may have communicated to us (e.g., through your Account Settings page).
|To provide you with features, information, advertising, or other content which is based on your specific location.|
If you require further information about the balancing test that Rulers of the Sea has undertaken to justify its reliance on the legitimate interest legal basis under GDPR, please see Section 15 ‘How to contact us’ for further details on how to contact us.
The following Personal Data will always be publicly available on the Rulers of the Sea Services: your ID and/or username and potentially a profile picture.
The following personal data will only be shared with the categories of recipients outlined in the table below if:
|Categories of Recipients||Reason for sharing|
|Support Community||When you register for Rulers of the Sea Support Account on the Rulers of the Sea Support Community, we will ask you to create a specific Rulers of the Sea Support Community username. This will be publicly displayed to anyone who accesses the Rulers of the Sea Support Community along with any questions or comments you post.|
|Your Rulers of the Sea Followers||There also may be times when you want us to share certain Service Usage Data, specifically information about your use of Rulers of the Sea, with other Rulers of the Sea users known as ‘Your Rulers of the Sea Followers’.|
Learn more about how to manage notifications, your publicly available information, and what you share with others in the ‘Your rights and your preferences: Giving you choice and control’ Section 4 of this Policy and on the Privacy Center.
|Categories of Recipients||Reason for sharing|
|Service Providers and Others||We may use technical service providers which operate the technical infrastructure that we need to provide the Rulers of the Sea Services; in particular providers which host, store, manage, and maintain the Rulers of the Sea application.|
We may use technical service providers to help us communicate with you, as described in Section 7 of this Policy.
We use marketing (and advertising partners) to show you more tailored content, or to help us understand your use of the Rulers of the Sea Services, to provide you with a better experience. We also may share Personal Data with certain marketing and advertising partners to send you promotional communications about Rulers of the Sea.
|Rulers of the Sea Partners||We might share your Personal Data in a pseudonymised format with marketing partners who help us with promotional efforts and with advertisers that allow us to offer a free service.|
|Academic Researchers||We may share your Personal Data for activities such as statistical analysis and academic study but only in a pseudonymised format.|
|Other Rulers of the Sea Group Companies||We might share your Personal Data with other Deadeye Games B.V. Group Companies to carry out our daily business operations and to enable us to maintain and provide the Rulers of the Sea Services to you.|
|Law Enforcement and Data Protection Authorities||We will share your Personal Data when we in good faith believe it is necessary for us to do so in order to comply with a legal obligation under applicable law, or respond to valid legal process, such as a search warrant, a court order, or a subpoena.|
We also will share your personal data where we in good faith believe that it is necessary for the purpose of our own, or a third party’s legitimate interest relating to national security, law enforcement, litigation, criminal investigation, protecting the safety of any person, or to prevent death or imminent bodily harm, provided that we deem that such interest is not overridden by your interests or fundamental rights and freedoms requiring the protection of your Personal Data.
We keep your Personal Data only as long as necessary to provide you with the Rulers of the Sea Service and for legitimate and essential business purposes, such as maintaining the performance of the Deadeye Games Services, making data-driven business decisions about new features and offerings, complying with our legal obligations, and resolving disputes. We keep some of your Personal Data for as long as you are a user of the game.
If you request, we will delete or anonymise your Personal Data so that it no longer identifies you, unless, we are legally allowed or required to maintain certain Personal Data, including situations such as the following:
Deadeye Games B.V. might share your Personal Data globally with other companies in the Deadeye Games B.V. Group in order to carry out the activities specified in this Policy. Deadeye Games B.V. may also subcontract processing to, or share your Personal Data with, third parties located in countries other than your home country. Your personal data, therefore, may be subject to privacy laws that are different from those in your country of residence.
Personal Data collected within the European Union and Switzerland may, for example, be transferred to and processed by third parties located in a country outside of the European Union and Switzerland. In such instances Deadeye Games B.V. will ensure that the transfer of your Personal Data is carried out in accordance with applicable privacy laws and, in particular, that appropriate contractual, technical, and organizational measures are in place such as the Standard Contractual Clauses approved by the EU Commission.
For further details of the security measures we use to protect your Personal Data, please see the ‘Keeping your personal data safe’ Section 12 of this Policy.
We may display advertisements from third parties and other content that links to third-party websites. We cannot control or be held responsible for third parties’ privacy practices and content. If you click on a third-party advertisement or link, please understand that you are leaving the Rulers of the Sea Service and any Personal Data you provide will not be covered by this Policy. Please read their privacy policies to find out how they collect process and protect your Personal Data.
We are committed to protecting our users’ Personal Data. We implement appropriate technical and organisational measures to help protect the security of your Personal Data; however, please note that no system is ever completely secure. We have implemented various policies including pseudonymisation, encryption, access, and retention policies to guard against unauthorized access and unnecessary retention of Personal Data in our systems.
Your password protects your user account, so we encourage you to use a unique and strong password, limit access to your computer and browser, and log out after having used the Rulers of the Sea Services.
The Rulers of the Sea Services are not directed to children under the age of 13 years. However, in some countries, stricter age limits may apply under local law. Please see our Terms of Services for further details.
We do not knowingly collect Personal Data from children under 13 years or under the applicable age limit (the “Age Limit”). If you are under the Age Limit, please do not use the Rulers of the Sea Services, and do not provide any Personal Data to us.
If you are a parent of a child under the Age Limit and become aware that your child has provided Personal Data to Rulers of the Sea, please contact us using the form on the Privacy Center, and you may request exercise of your applicable rights detailed in the ‘Your rights and your preferences: Giving you choice and control’ Section 4 of this Policy.
If we learn that we have collected the Personal Data of a child under the age of 13 years, we will take reasonable steps to delete the Personal Data. This may require us to delete the Rulers of the Sea account for that child.
We will occasionally update this Policy. When we make material updates to this Policy, we will provide you with prominent notice as appropriate under the circumstances, e.g., by displaying a prominent notice within the Rulers of the Sea Services or by sending you an email.
Please, therefore, make sure you read any such notice carefully. Annually this Policy will be reviewed for accuracy and changes in GDPR. If no material changes are made, you will not be notified.
If you want to find out more about this Policy and how Deadeye Games B.V. uses your Personal Data, please visit the Privacy Center on RulersoftheSea.com to find out more.
Deadeye Games BV is the data processor for the purposes of the personal data processed under this Policy.